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**stressed** · 03-26-2006, 08:16 PM

I swapped out my e4od for a c6 and am having some issues. The bronco is a 1995 with mass air.. I used a 95 mustang(manual) computer and hooked up the wires per Fireguys instructions (reverse light, neutral safety, tcase) using a B&M floor shifter. Onto the issues.. Any ideas on how to resolve any of these is appreciated..

When in reverse you have to rev it up quite a bit for it to move.. In drive or any forward gears it will not move at all. If you play with the gas a bit and find its sweet spot it will move a little. I was able to back it out of the driveway and after a bit i got it moving forward but after a quick drive around the block (2 minutes tops) the temp was at 210 degrees. The first thing that came to mind was that maybe the lines going into and out of the fluid filter were crossed. I swapped those when it cooled but i still got the same result. The torque converter is brand new and i filled it halfway before i installed it then ran the engine when i added the ATF. Could the fu@#$ing trans be toast already.

Help.

84x4bronco · 03-26-2006, 08:23 PM

sounds like a toasty transmission to me. thats what my F150 did.

BRONCFOOT · 03-26-2006, 08:33 PM

Try: Ford Transmission Forum.com--try the search heading first,if no luck post a question,try it before pulling that heavy mofo

**stressed** · 03-26-2006, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRONCFOOT

Try: Ford Transmission Forum.com--try the search heading first,if no luck post a question,try it before pulling that heavy mofo

site wont load up... i added www. and took out the spaces.

locopny · 03-26-2006, 09:24 PM

sounds like the seals are not good...among other problems. my old C6 would do that, but once warm, problem wouldn't show up.

**stressed** · 03-26-2006, 10:30 PM

is that repairable without dropping the the trans?

i need to have the bronco loaded up on the trailer by thursday night..

**stressed** · 03-26-2006, 10:54 PM

would a loose vac line going to this thing cause any problems.. i couldnt get it to fit snug.. ive never seen one installed, just heard about it...

**kf4amu** · 03-26-2006, 11:09 PM

Raf if its that bad I think its internal. My vacuum line is held on by its own friction over the nipple. I've noticed when cold or having sat for a while I get a slight hesitation before it wants to put the power to the rear. It goes away quick enough that I doubted it existed until a thread last week about this same subject.

-Will

**peteyg** · 03-26-2006, 11:17 PM

The vacuum modulator will cause very weird shifting problems. If there is a vacuum leak, it will not work. I know on my TH400 I had in the Caddy, it caused all kinds of havok

Also, when I rebuilt my '400, it took a LOT of fluid to get it filled. Way more than seemed reasonable, but once it was within a quart of full it started shifting good. I don't know how it works for the C6, but it's something to look at. Also, are you sire the TC was engaged properly? If I remember, the Ford TC needs to rotate three clicks to engage right...

**Clarko** · 03-27-2006, 12:08 AM

The C6 I have, before it was rebuilt that is, did that same thing in the ole' F-250 it was in and it was shot, and got rebuilt.

Davids78Bronco · 03-27-2006, 12:31 AM

You're sure it has the right amount of Type F? I know you stated you added more, but ...

**stressed** · 03-27-2006, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davids78bronco

You're sure it has the right amount of Type F? I know you stated you added more, but ...

theres about 14 ot 15 quarts in it.. 12 + whatever it took to fill the longer hoses, filter and new cooler.. the dip stick shows fluid just a nut hair past the fill line..

**imlikeojnow** · 03-27-2006, 12:56 AM

http://www.network54.com/Forum/searc...archterm=E4OD+

ford tranny forum

stx4wheeler · 03-27-2006, 02:04 AM

i would say check the fluid one more time or hell even try and pur some more in if it says its full, when i changed the fluid, and filter on my 78 last year, i filled it up, with what i thought was the same amount that came out. i started he up, put it in reverse to leave the driveway and it rapped up and kinda slammed into gear. Then once i got backed out i figured it just need some time to get fluid everywhere again, well that wasn't it i had to do exactly what you are explaining you are having to do with yours. So since i couldnt see(it was dark) i jsut poured another 1 or 2 quarts in her and one the second one that was it, and problem was solved. good luck man i hope the tranny aint toast.

Chris85xlt · 03-27-2006, 02:51 AM

do C6 use TV cables like on AODs. maybe check that

**Clarko** · 03-27-2006, 02:57 AM

Nope, they use a vacuum modulator/kickdown combo.

87EBBronco · 03-27-2006, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davids78bronco

You're sure it has the right amount of Type F? I know you stated you added more, but ...

My C6 uses Dexron III not Type F. I thought all the later C6's used Dexron.

**stressed** · 03-27-2006, 09:03 AM

hmmm.. i was told type f.. could that cause the symptoms above?

**imlikeojnow** · 03-27-2006, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressed

hmmm.. i was told type f.. could that cause the symptoms above?

No it wouldnt fry the tranny like that. you may want to drain it though and put the right stuff in it. To me it sounds like the tranny itself is fried

Washburn · 03-27-2006, 10:07 AM

Here's some help possibly...

It states in 1976, the C6 used Type F, from 1977-1986, Dexron II

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d800a4cbd.jsp

03-26-2006, 08:16 PM	#1
stressed Fullsize Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gardena, CA Posts: 248 iTrader: (2) Bronco Info: 95.. white.. stresseds Garage	95 Bko" e4od to c6 trans swap issues.... I swapped out my e4od for a c6 and am having some issues. The bronco is a 1995 with mass air.. I used a 95 mustang(manual) computer and hooked up the wires per Fireguys instructions (reverse light, neutral safety, tcase) using a B&M floor shifter. Onto the issues.. Any ideas on how to resolve any of these is appreciated.. When in reverse you have to rev it up quite a bit for it to move.. In drive or any forward gears it will not move at all. If you play with the gas a bit and find its sweet spot it will move a little. I was able to back it out of the driveway and after a bit i got it moving forward but after a quick drive around the block (2 minutes tops) the temp was at 210 degrees. The first thing that came to mind was that maybe the lines going into and out of the fluid filter were crossed. I swapped those when it cooled but i still got the same result. The torque converter is brand new and i filled it halfway before i installed it then ran the engine when i added the ATF. Could the fu@#$ing trans be toast already. Help. __________________ (Site Back Up) http://www.Bronkzilla.com (4x Pics) http://www.Bronkzilla.com/4xpics.html

03-26-2006, 08:33 PM	#3
BRONCFOOT FSB Peckerhead!! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Newberry SC Posts: 511 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 93 XLT, 93 EB, 90EB, 93EB 302 BRONCFOOTs Garage	Try: Ford Transmission Forum.com--try the search heading first,if no luck post a question,try it before pulling that heavy mofo __________________ Dont drink & drive-pull over & finish your beer!

03-26-2006, 11:09 PM	#8
kf4amu FSB's airline pilot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: hotels, Charlotte, Roanoke VA, the cockpit...time split equally between all of them. Posts: 8,682 iTrader: (6) Bronco Info: 1989 460 EFI/C6/BW1356 electric/6 inch Rough Country lift/York OBA/Warn hubs/electric fans/14 bolt kf4amus Garage	Raf if its that bad I think its internal. My vacuum line is held on by its own friction over the nipple. I've noticed when cold or having sat for a while I get a slight hesitation before it wants to put the power to the rear. It goes away quick enough that I doubted it existed until a thread last week about this same subject. -Will __________________ -Will 064 tlx 98 http://www.supermotors.org/registry/...ail.php?id=819 The best electric fan writeup out there http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40564

03-26-2006, 11:17 PM	#9
peteyg Token Jeep Guy Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 2,516 iTrader: (4) Bronco Info: 1978 Bronco XLT, 6" lift, 31's/35's/37's peteygs Garage	The vacuum modulator will cause very weird shifting problems. If there is a vacuum leak, it will not work. I know on my TH400 I had in the Caddy, it caused all kinds of havok Also, when I rebuilt my '400, it took a LOT of fluid to get it filled. Way more than seemed reasonable, but once it was within a quart of full it started shifting good. I don't know how it works for the C6, but it's something to look at. Also, are you sire the TC was engaged properly? If I remember, the Ford TC needs to rotate three clicks to engage right... __________________ I'm Bronco-less again, but it was For A Good Cause

03-27-2006, 12:08 AM	#10
Clarko Can't afford it! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 2,735 iTrader: (1) Bronco Info: 88 351 AOD 94 351 E4OD Clarkos Garage	The C6 I have, before it was rebuilt that is, did that same thing in the ole' F-250 it was in and it was shot, and got rebuilt. __________________ Brian Click the pic for SuperFord.

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03-26-2006, 08:23 PM	#2
84x4bronco Bitchin. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Gilbert,AZ Posts: 1,877 iTrader: (1) Bronco Info: 84 bronco 351W, C6, 79 D44, 9", Twinstick 205 84x4broncos Garage	sounds like a toasty transmission to me. thats what my F150 did.

03-26-2006, 10:30 PM	#6
stressed Fullsize Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gardena, CA Posts: 248 iTrader: (2) Bronco Info: 95.. white.. stresseds Garage	is that repairable without dropping the the trans? i need to have the bronco loaded up on the trailer by thursday night..

03-26-2006, 10:54 PM	#7
stressed Fullsize Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gardena, CA Posts: 248 iTrader: (2) Bronco Info: 95.. white.. stresseds Garage	would a loose vac line going to this thing cause any problems.. i couldnt get it to fit snug.. ive never seen one installed, just heard about it...

03-27-2006, 12:31 AM	#11
Davids78Bronco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central Oregon Posts: 0 iTrader: (8) Bronco Info: I may be slow, but I'm expensive! Davids78Broncos Garage	You're sure it has the right amount of Type F? I know you stated you added more, but ...

03-27-2006, 02:04 AM	#14
stx4wheeler Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: college station, tx Posts: 606 iTrader: (6) Bronco Info: 95bronco(dd) 78 bronco trail rig stx4wheelers Garage	i would say check the fluid one more time or hell even try and pur some more in if it says its full, when i changed the fluid, and filter on my 78 last year, i filled it up, with what i thought was the same amount that came out. i started he up, put it in reverse to leave the driveway and it rapped up and kinda slammed into gear. Then once i got backed out i figured it just need some time to get fluid everywhere again, well that wasn't it i had to do exactly what you are explaining you are having to do with yours. So since i couldnt see(it was dark) i jsut poured another 1 or 2 quarts in her and one the second one that was it, and problem was solved. good luck man i hope the tranny aint toast. __________________ its a jeep thing eh, your right i wouldnt understand!! 95 bronco (DD) light bar four pro comp 130's, true dual exhaust through hollowed cats, and flowmaster 40's 78 bronco 460/c-6/205/60 front/ sterling 10.25 rear/hydro assist steering,lincoln locked front/rear, cage to the frame, and a garage full of parts.

03-27-2006, 02:51 AM	#15
Chris85xlt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 2,455 iTrader: (3) Bronco Info: 85xlt with stuff Chris85xlts Garage	do C6 use TV cables like on AODs. maybe check that __________________ Sold- My SuperMotor Site

03-27-2006, 02:57 AM	#16
Clarko Can't afford it! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 2,735 iTrader: (1) Bronco Info: 88 351 AOD 94 351 E4OD Clarkos Garage	Nope, they use a vacuum modulator/kickdown combo.

03-27-2006, 09:03 AM	#18
stressed Fullsize Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gardena, CA Posts: 248 iTrader: (2) Bronco Info: 95.. white.. stresseds Garage	hmmm.. i was told type f.. could that cause the symptoms above?

03-27-2006, 10:07 AM	#20
Washburn Explorer driving Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,130 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: Sold Washburns Garage	Here's some help possibly... It states in 1976, the C6 used Type F, from 1977-1986, Dexron II http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d800a4cbd.jsp __________________ A sharp tongue can cut your own throat.

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