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Steve83 · 09-19-2008, 12:39 PM

Has anyone read the Sep/Oct 08 issue (#35) of BroncoDriver mag? Did anything in it look familiar? Like virtually ALL the text on p.62? Does anyone notice a couple of similarities between it & this? It's plagiarized practically verbatim!

I don't mind anyone reading or referencing what I post, but STEALING it is another matter entirely!

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**SigEpBlue** · 09-19-2008, 12:41 PM

Wow, that's f*cked up. Definitely won't be buying it any more. I don't think you can sue them, but I bet Joe could since it's his website.

ThetaTauMan · 09-19-2008, 12:45 PM

Well its damn good info, no wonder they would want to steal it.

**SigEpBlue** · 09-19-2008, 12:49 PM

Agreed. One could almost write a multi-volume service manual with all of the information on FSB. But to give no credit or reference to where that information was obtained is plagiarism; they pass the information off as if it's their own compilation or work, and that's a BIG no-no in professional journalism and publishing.

**Traveler** · 09-19-2008, 01:09 PM

Bronco driver personel is very good people to deal with.
Contact them. Ask them about who wrote it, and raise your concerns.
If they agree with you they will correct it.

Fireguy50 · 09-19-2008, 01:10 PM

I've noticed some of my stuff in Mar/Apr 07 issue #26 Page 71

**Mr. Cardholder** · 09-19-2008, 01:13 PM

Maybe they think just because it's a nameless avatar on the internets that they can take what they want. Like we, the overly OCD grammar and correctness nazis wouldn't notice.

**waltman** · 09-19-2008, 01:21 PM

I don't have the magazine to compare with so I'll take your word for it, but wow, how very unprofessional of them. You should contact the editor and let them know how upset you are. They should have gotten your pemission, IMO.

spaustin889 · 09-19-2008, 01:32 PM

i have this program we use for school called safeassign. it scans your paper and relates it to all other students papers and all over the internet. i might be able to scan your thread and put in the article from bronco driver and it will tell me exactly how similar they are (in %)

Steve83 · 09-19-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganuus

...it's a nameless avatar on the internets...

Yeah, except I had dinner at John's house last time I was in K'ville.

I met him & Tom at the SuperNats/Bronco SuperCel '08.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SigEpBlue

I don't think you can sue them, but I bet Joe could since it's his website.

Actually, Joe only has the right to edit, delete, or re-publish the posts; not sell or sub-let. You still own what you write.

I also saw a LOT of similarities between Off-Road Oct.08 (Vol.42 No.10) pp.92-98 and this post, but not NEARLY as much as now.

**Froggmann** · 09-19-2008, 01:36 PM

I'll put up a scan tonight of the article in question. BD issue came in yesterday but I haven't had the chance to look at it.

p54519 · 09-19-2008, 02:05 PM

You should paid every penny they would have normally paid the writer. Period. I have a client who is a copyright attorney if you need any help.

**Dave's Bronc 90** · 09-19-2008, 02:09 PM

That's the thing, I'm pretty sure that most of the stuff in Bronco Driver is contributed for free.

Steve83 · 09-19-2008, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p54519

I have a client who is a copyright attorney if you need any help.

Sure - show him this thread, and see what he thinks. Put him in contact with me if he wants. I'm still waiting for John to call me back & try to explain what he was thinking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave's Bronc 90

...most of the stuff in Bronco Driver is contributed for free.

So is most of the stuff at Goodwill, but that doesn't mean they can walk into Wal-Mart & grab what they want. It also DOESN'T mean the articles are worthless. If they were, then the magazine should be free.

(And if they're selling advertising on at least as much page-space as the articles, IDK why it & all OTHER rags are NOT free! They're collecting on BOTH ends. Same for cable TV, satellite radio...)

Hopper · 09-19-2008, 02:11 PM

That's fawked up. BD has had issues like this in the past, right?

I hadn't subscribed anyway, but I'll be sure not to after this

Pantsman · 09-19-2008, 02:20 PM

Since you posted it on a free forum I don't think they have to pay him. But they definitely should have referenced where it came from. Makes it even more retarded cause they did it simply because they were too lazy or because they wanted to pass it off as their own. Either way it's crap.

Edit: By the way, I know YOU (Steve83) weren't asking for payment. That was just in reference to the posts about paying what the writer got paid. If a "writer" got paid for it they should be fired.

Steve83 · 09-19-2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantsman

Since you posted it on a free forum I don't think they have to pay him.

Whether or not I'm being paid HERE has nothing whatsoever to do with THERE. Broadcast TV is "a free forum" - do the writers, producers, etc. THERE sacrifice all rights once it goes out over the air? Can I copy stuff off TV & then sell it, claiming it as my own work?

p54519 · 09-19-2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve83

Sure - show him this thread, and see what he thinks. Put him in contact with me if he wants.

Gather a little more info first, he is super busy and I don't want to call in the favor untl I get him as many facts as possible.

ScorpionBoy · 09-19-2008, 02:40 PM

sue the hell out of them and put em out of business.

yoomooman · 09-19-2008, 03:05 PM

damn BD just lost my subscription, thats completely wrong in my book......i seriously would gather as much info as i could and persue your case, but my concern is its not copywrited so its not really copywrite infringment,

its still wrong and they should know better, get an attorney steve and see what you can do about it

09-19-2008, 12:39 PM	#1
Steve83 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 23,934 iTrader: (91) Bronco Info: '83 Custom w/'95 4.9L & EB paint Steve83s Garage	WHAT THE ??? Has anyone read the Sep/Oct 08 issue (#35) of BroncoDriver mag? Did anything in it look familiar? Like virtually ALL the text on p.62? Does anyone notice a couple of similarities between it & this? It's plagiarized practically verbatim! I don't mind anyone reading or referencing what I post, but STEALING it is another matter entirely! *EDIT* Here's the text from that page: __________________ Walk softly & carry a BIG SIX ! ! ! . . . '99 CV RIP

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Traveler FSM Lifetime Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Iowa Posts: 1,002 iTrader: (0) Travelers Garage	Bronco driver personel is very good people to deal with. Contact them. Ask them about who wrote it, and raise your concerns. If they agree with you they will correct it. __________________ FourDoorBronco.com

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Fireguy50 can I go to bed yet? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Mental Health Dept Posts: 10,432 iTrader: (15) Bronco Info: faster than your's Fireguy50s Garage	I've noticed some of my stuff in Mar/Apr 07 issue #26 Page 71 __________________ Ryan McCormick RJM Injection Tech My Bronco Ford Fuel Injection.com Technical Library Parts replacement is not auto repair, if you can�t diagnose, don�t open the hood!

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waltman Common sense notso common Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: far from reality Posts: 12,379 iTrader: (1) Bronco Info: 1989 bronco, 3" suspension lift, rebuilt 302 with cam, 33' big-os Blog Entries: 1 waltmans Garage	I don't have the magazine to compare with so I'll take your word for it, but wow, how very unprofessional of them. You should contact the editor and let them know how upset you are. They should have gotten your pemission, IMO. __________________ there is no such thing as stupid questions, just stupid people. Only that in you which is me can hear what I'm saying No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it

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09-19-2008, 12:45 PM	#3
ThetaTauMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tarzana, CA Posts: 1,013 iTrader: (5) Bronco Info: 96, 351W, E4OD True Dual Exhaust, 6" D44 SAS, 38.5" tires {Sold =( } ThetaTauMans Garage	Well its damn good info, no wonder they would want to steal it. __________________ In SoCal on the hunt for one of those "Rust Free" Trucks... My Supermotors

09-19-2008, 12:49 PM	#4
SigEpBlue Satyr of the Midwest Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ida & Grand Rapids, Michigan, a.k.a The Unemployment Capital of America Posts: 15,375 iTrader: (2) Bronco Info: 1993 EB, 5.8L, BIO0 MAF, GT40Ps, Mustang cam, GT40 Intake, Custom Headers, Moates QuarterHorse Blog Entries: 1 SigEpBlues Garage	Agreed. One could almost write a multi-volume service manual with all of the information on FSB. But to give no credit or reference to where that information was obtained is plagiarism; they pass the information off as if it's their own compilation or work, and that's a BIG no-no in professional journalism and publishing.

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Dave's Bronc 90 Some assembly required! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 4,943 iTrader: (23) Bronco Info: 90 EB, 351W, E40D, D60 SAS, 10.25 rear, ARB's front & back, indellible Cheerwine stain in carpet Dave's Bronc 90s Garage	That's the thing, I'm pretty sure that most of the stuff in Bronco Driver is contributed for free. __________________

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Hopper Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,506 iTrader: (6) Bronco Info: Stockish 93 5.8L, E4OD, BW1356; 79, 400/T-18/NP205, D44/9" Hoppers Garage	That's fawked up. BD has had issues like this in the past, right? I hadn't subscribed anyway, but I'll be sure not to after this __________________

09-19-2008, 02:20 PM	#16
Pantsman Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 2,201 iTrader: (2) Bronco Info: 1986 Bronco XLT, 302 5.0L V8. Warn premiums, Serp. and Sag swap, 3G, F350 Brakes. Pantsmans Garage	Since you posted it on a free forum I don't think they have to pay him. But they definitely should have referenced where it came from. Makes it even more retarded cause they did it simply because they were too lazy or because they wanted to pass it off as their own. Either way it's crap. Edit: By the way, I know YOU (Steve83) weren't asking for payment. That was just in reference to the posts about paying what the writer got paid. If a "writer" got paid for it they should be fired. __________________

09-19-2008, 02:40 PM	#19
ScorpionBoy crank trigger Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,143 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 94 XL M5OD, 5.0, Ghetto K&N, 130A G3 ScorpionBoys Garage	sue the hell out of them and put em out of business.

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